Something to think about
To counter the Atheists argument, that God was doing the same thing
as the heathens by offering up his son!
Answer: The true teaching of the scriptures is that God himself became the son of God, when he was
made flesh, and offered up himself, unlike the heathens were doing.
In other words God did not offer his son like the heathens did, but offered himself as the son of
God, to save his people.
God is a spirit and we must worship God in spirit and in
Here is another way to prove that the son of God is actually God himself in flesh.
If the son of God was a separate being from God, then God would have been guilty of
breaking his own law, by giving his son as a sacrifice.
I don’t believe that
God would do something that he says is an abomination for someone else to do.
adopted many pagan practices and thoughts, such as Christmas, Easter, child sacrifice, and many other pagan practices, which
is still going on today.
The Israelites adopted the idea or thought, that it was all
right to offer their sons and daughters as a sacrifice, something that God hated, and that thought is with us today, in a
very subtle way, alone with other pagan practices such as Christmas, Easter etc. people are committing spiritual idolatry,
when believing in more than one God. We must get it out of our mind and heart, that YHWH God had someone else to die for our
sins, and worship him in truth.
YHWH God is the one and only saviour, who was made flesh
and purchased the church of God with his own blood. See Acts 20:28, and see also Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 45:21, etc.
See Revelation 1:8-18 which shows that the All Mighty had the power to actually die
and rise again. We must not limit God our saviour.
If the scripture didn’t teach
that God himself was the son of God, and offered up himself, instead of some second person of a trinity, then he would be
doing the very thing that he hates, see 2 Kings 21:6, and Deuteronomy 12:31, etc.
1:1-14 clearly teaches that the word was God and the word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and Paul says it is a mystery,
but God was manifested in the flesh and preached to the Gentiles, 1 Timothy 3:16.
When we believe that the Scripture teaches that God himself was the son of God and offered up himself, and not
some second person of a trinity, it clears him from doing the the thing that he hates.
KING MANASSEH was King Ahaz's grandson, Manasseh, reigned for
55 years, the longest in Judah's history. He is said to have burned his son as an offering, which I will give scripture to
The practice of offering their children for sacrifice was
widespread among the people of Judah during his reign.
Manasseh was twelve years old when he began to
reign, and he reigned fifty-five years in Jerusalem.
People are committing spiritual idolatry
in their mind by having the thoughts of more than one God!!!
God would never send someone
else to suffer and die for us, but came himself in another form and done the job.
Speaking of Manasseh
2Ki 21:6 says, “And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times,
and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to
provoke him to anger.
Notice that having his son pass through the fire is listed
among the wickedness that YHWH hated.
Deuteronomy 12:31 KJVS
 “Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for “every abomination to the LORD , which he hateth”,
“have they done unto their gods”; for even “their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire”
to their gods.”
One of the abominations that he hated was the sacrifice of
their children. Would he then turn around and offer his son for sacrifice? No he would not do as they did, but became the
son of God and offered himself?
The Scripture teaches that we must believe that the son of
God is God/YHWH in the flesh, both Father and son in one body, we will die in our sins, John 8:24. the prophets also believed
that God himself was going to become the son of God (or God in the flesh), and suffer and die for our sins, they were seeing
into the future and believing that God would be made flesh (Isaiah 9:6 and Jeremiah 23:6 etc), and we are looking back and
believing that God was made flesh (John 1:1-14, and 1 Timothy 3:16 etc), and the Messiah was in the present, when he taught
we must believe that he is He/YHWH (John 8:24 etc), but all were believing the same thing, which belief/faith kept them from
dying in their sin!
Job says, in Job 19:25-26 KJVS
For I know that my “redeemer” liveth, and that “he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth”:
 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh (Israelite man’s flesh) shall I see God:”
Job saw God his Redeemer, in the same flesh like Job’s, man’s flesh. Looking
down through the long Corridor of time, Job saw God standing on the earth in flesh.
God has always been God. At creation he was in his original
form as the Holy Spirit that moved upon the face of the water and began speaking everything into existence, but when he was
made flesh he became a Father and a son in another form at the exact same time. A man does not become a father until the son
becomes a son, and it happens at the exact same time, but he was still God, even though he became flesh. God himself was manifested
as the son of God, and we must believe that to be saved (John 8:23-28), giving all the glory to God. See 1 Timothy 3:16, where Paul
teaches that God became flesh and preach to the Gentiles and received up into glory. That same God that Paul said was
in the flesh preaching, was the son of God! Therefore the son of God is actually God in another form, and offered himself
to pay for our sins, he did NOT offer someone else.
By grace are you saved through “faith” and
that not of your own it’s a gift of God.
By God’s grace, we believe
in the right thing in order to be saved, and that belief is not of our own, but it is a gift of God.
We must we believe some things to be saved.
Are we to believe that it “a part” of God or “all of God” was made flesh?
Colossians 3:9-10 teaches us that the fullness of the Godhead/Deity was in him, and we are complete in him, who is
the head of everything. The Hebrew definition of Godhead is Deity, i.e. the full Deity was in the son.
Isa 44:24 “Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD
that maketh “all things”; that stretcheth forth the heavens “alone”; that spreadeth abroad the earth
The above is not speaking of more than one God, and we need
to accept the fact that God done everything by himself, giving him all the Glory, and not sharing it with another!
Joh 8:24 says, “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for
if ye “believe not” that “I am he”, ye shall die in your sins.”
The scripture tells us who the “I am he” is, here are a few verses.
Isa 41:4 “Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD,
the first, and with the last; “I am he.”
Isa 43:10-11 says, “Ye are
my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that “I
am he”: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I,
even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”
Isa 43:13 “Yea,
before the day was “I am he”; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let
it?..... Isa 43:15 I am the LORD, your “Holy One”, the creator of Israel, “your King”
Isa 48:12 “Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; “I
am he”; I am the “first, I also am the last.”
Isa 52:6 “Therefore
my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in “that day” that “I am he” that doth speak:
behold, it is I.”
All through the scripture it speaks of the Holy One of Israel,
not the holy three.
Joh 8:24 says, “I
said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye “believe not” that “I am he” (YHWH),
ye shall die in your sins.”
Joh 8:27 “They understood not that he spake
to them of the Father.”
Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man,
then shall ye know that “I am he”, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these
Joh 8:29 And he that sent me is “with” me:”
5:19 says, 2Co 5:19 To wit, that “God was in Christ”, reconciling the world unto himself,”
It was true when he said, “And he that sent me is “with” me:”
He was with him because he was in him.
Joh 12:44 says,
“Jesus cried and said, He that “believeth on me”, “believeth not on me”, “but on him that
Joh 12:45 And “he that seeth me” “seeth him that sent
Joh 12:46 “I am come a light” into the world, that whosoever believeth
on me should not abide in darkness.”
Joh 13:19 “Now I tell
you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that “I am he”.
Joh 13:20 Verily,
verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send “receiveth me”; and “he that receiveth me”
“receiveth him that sent me”.
When we receive the son we receive the
Father that sent him, because he is the Father. Whoever has the son, has the Father also, and that is because they are one.
1 John 2:23, and
Joh 14:7 which says, “If ye had “known
me”, ye should have known my “Father also”: and from henceforth ye know him, and “have seen”
Again, The Bible teaches us that we must believe that the son is the “I am he”,
or we will die in our sins, Joh 8:24 “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye
“believe not” that “I am he”, ye shall die in your sins.”
Who is the “I am he”, that he says that we must believe that he is???
Joh 15:24 “If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin:
but now have they “both “seen” and hated “both me and my Father”.
I gave scriptures that says that YHWH himself is the I Am He, Isaiah 41:4, Isaiah 43:verses10 and verse 13, and Isaiah
46:4, and Isaiah 48:12, and Isaiah 52:6.
We must believe in the son of God to be saved, but who is
the son of God???
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore
unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which
he hath purchased with “his own blood”.
God is a spirit and made flesh so he
could have blood to shed.
The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent,
came “the Messiah, who is God over all”, praised forever. Amen.
Jeremiah 23:6 teaches the son will be called YHWH, and Deuteronomy 6:4 teaches only
one YHWH, and Psa 83:18 “That men may know that thou, whose “name alone is JEHOVAH (YHWH)”, art
the most high over all the earth.”
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but
these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through “thine own name” those whom thou hast given
me, that they may be one, as we are.”
Back to child sacrifice
The main thing to remember is YHWH “became the son of God” and offered
up himself for our salvation, not a separate son, like the abomination that he hates.
Example: Joh 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world, that “he (God) “gave” his
only begotten (or born) Son, that whosoever “believeth in him” should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Joh 12:44 “Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, “believeth
not on me”, “but on him that sent me”.
Joh 12:45 And “he that seeth
me” “seeth him that sent me”.
Joh 12:46 “I am come a light” into
the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.”
words, when we have the son, we have the Father!
2 John 1:7-11 KJVS
many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and
an antichrist.  Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
1 John 2:23 KJVS
 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath
not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
We can not have the Father without the son, because the son is the Father in flesh, John 1:1-14, 1 Timothy 3:16,
Isaiah 9:6, Jeremiah 23:5-6
2 John 1:9-12 KJVS
 “Whosoever transgresseth,
and “abideth not in the doctrine of Christ”, hath not God. (The doctrine of Christ is that he is God and man,
or God in the flesh, as the next verse teaches)
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,
he hath “both the Father and the Son”.
 If there come any unto you,
and bring not this doctrine (teaching), receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:  For he that biddeth
him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
1 John 2:22-23 KJVS
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.  Whosoever
denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
It is obvious from John 316, that “God gave” his only begotten
(born) son for us. But Paul says in Galatians 2:20, that the “son” of God “gave himself”
for us! Which is it???
Gal 2:20 says, “I am crucified with Christ:
nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the “faith”
of the “Son of God”, who loved me, and “gave himself”
Again, which is it??? Did God give the son, or did the Son give the Son, or is the
Son actually God in flesh, and gave himself???
If the scripture is right, and YHWH
became our salvation by manifesting himself in flesh, as the son of God, 1 Timothy 3:16, and John 1:1-14 etc, this takes away
the Atheists argument that YHWH was not only breaking his own law, but doing the very thing that he hated, i.e. offering innocent
children, but because he was made flesh and died himself, paying the price with his own blood, Acts 20:28, which would not
have been a human sacrifice, like the pagans offered, when offering their human sons, which was an abomination in God’s
This shows that God gave himself for our salvation, by becoming the son of God (John
1:1-18, Hebrews 9:14, and 1 Timothy 3:16) so that he could die for us, Revelation 1:8-18.
If a man to kick his dog was an abomination to YHWH, would YHWH kick his dog?
God not only gave his only begotten or born son, but he gave us himself also, because he is the only begotten son,
or God in flesh. God manifested in the flesh is just another manifestation of the one God. 1 Timothy 3:16.
God gave his only begotten/born son, the son was himself in the flesh.
Romans 9:5 says “Whose are the fathers, and of whom “as concerning the flesh” Christ
came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.”
Romans 9:5 New Living Translation
(NLT) is very plain,
5 “Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and
“Christ” himself was an Israelite “as far as his human nature is concerned”. And “he is God”,
the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.”
that if Christ is the son of God according to the human nature, and he is also God over all, according to his Deity, then
he must be God in the flesh, or BOTH God and man, Acts 2:36.
He became the Father and
the son at the Exact same time, when he was made flesh. Therefore it was the Father and son who died for us. And it was the
Father himself that gave us that unspeakable gift, for our salvation. Praise be to him!
YHWH became our
salvation, the son and the Father are one!
When a man that is not a father and
has a son, the instant the child is conceived or born, the man becomes a father at the same time the son becomes a. God
gave his only begotten son and his self at the same time.
At the very instant YHWH
became flesh he also became the Father of that flesh at the exact same time thus becoming the Father and the son, or God in
The same one God was manifestation in the flesh as the son
of God and was the manifestation of the one true God or fulfilled another office for salvation.
When he made himself in the flesh he became the father and son at the same time, therefore the father wasn’t
his own son, but the father was the son for our salvation, i.e. another manifestation of the one God for salvation.
Dealing with the atheist by proving the true gospel of one God in flesh, thus becoming the son of God, instead of a second person of a trinity.
The true church started
out as a pure religion, but over time strayed away and went against YHWH’S word, by accepting abominations of ideas
and wicked deeds into their religion, such as Christmas, Easter, Hallowing, the Trinity, etc, which some of
us have come out of, but have we come out of all the Catholic whore’s ideas and teachings???
To associate the idea that God would offer someone else for a sacrifice, other than himself, is worse than associating
Christmas, Easter, and other pagan practices with him!
much criticism from Atheists and others, about God receiving human sacrifice, or offering his son, which was an abomination
to God, for others to do it!
Do Atheists have a point, considering that they are using
many scriptures to support their position, that God would not offer his son as a sacrifice?
If someone could explain the true gospel to the atheist, that it was God himself that became
the son of God and died for us, they might change their mind, Revelation 1:8-18 shows that The All Mighty had the
power to die and live again.
The true Gospel does not leave room for the Atheists to use
the argument that God would not offer his son, which was an abomination.
I do believe
God’s justice required a sacrifice and his mercy supplied it, by God himself becoming the son of God, a non human sacrifice.
The blood of animals could never take away sin and satisfy the demand of justice for
a just God, and that is why he prepared himself to be the sacrifice, as the son of God. The second man Adam, or the second
son of God was YHWH himself. The second son of God, was YHWH from heaven. The first Adam, or first son of God, was of the
earth, earthly, but not the second one, the second son of God is YHWH himself.
1Co 15:45 And
so it is written, The “first man Adam” was made a living soul; the “last Adam” (Messiah) was made
a quickening (living) “spirit”.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is
spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The
“first man” is of the earth, “earthy”: the “second man” is “the Lord” (YHWH)
Notice that Christ is a living spirit, and that is because
he is the living God in the flesh, or the one true God in another form! 1 Timothy 3:16.
Also notice that he is THE LORD from heaven, and there can only be one The LORD, and this one The LORD, is the son
Jer 7:31 “And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is
in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to “burn their sons and their daughters in the fire”; which “I commanded
them not”, “neither came it into my heart.”
YHWH says it never came
into his heart for someone to murder their children.
The scripture teaches that God himself
became his own sacrifice by preparing himself, to be a sacrifice, like Abraham says he would do, instead of human sacrifice,
he begot himself into flesh, and therefore did not receive a human sacrifice, like the heathens, but became the sacrifice
himself, i.e. he prepared himself “to be” the sacrifice!
word for “provide” can mean, “present oneself”, “appear”, “to be caused to see,
be shown”, and several others that have to do with seeing or becoming visible. In other words YHWH will
appear himself to be the sacrifice or burnt offering.
in a place of idolatry, where men offered there children to idols, and YHWH was testing Abraham’s faith and to see how
much he loved him, but never intended for Abraham to break his own law to murder his son, or shed innocent blood. YHWH hated
that, as we will see shortly.
Most righteous men, who are in the image and likeness of
God, would die themselves, before giving their child to die, how much more would God do it?
It would not have been as great a thing for God to have simply passed the deed of being the sacrifice to another,
instead of doing it himself, because he could have just spoke a child into the virgin, and told him to be the sacrifice.
Joh 15:13 “Greater love” hath no man than this, that a man lay
down his life for his friends.”
The greatest love God had for us was to become man/God in
flesh, and lay down his life for us, and there is no greater love than this, according to the above text.
King Ahaz's grandson, Manasseh, reigned
for 55 years, the longest in Judah's history. He is said to have burned his son as an offering.
The practice of offering their children for sacrifice was widespread among the people of Judah during his reign.
Manasseh was twelve years old when he began to reign, and he reigned fifty-five years in Jerusalem.
People are committing spiritual idolatry in their mind by having more than one God!!!
Speaking of Manasseh
2Ki 21:6 which says, “And he
made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards:
he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
that having his son pass through the fire is listed among the wickedness that YHWH hated.
Deuteronomy 12:31 KJVS says,
 “Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD
thy God: for “every abomination to the LORD , which he hateth”, “have they done unto their gods”;
for even “their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire” to their gods.”
One of the abominations that he hated was the human sacrifice of their children. Would
he turn around and offer his son for sacrifice, unless the son of God is actually God himself?
Jer 32:35 “And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom,
to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, “neither came
it into my mind”, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.”
This problem goes away if we believe that God himself came in the flesh, as the son of God, and we must believe in
the son of God to be saved, because the son of God is God himself in flesh to take away our sins.
Eze 16:21 That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause
them to pass through the fire for them?
Eze 23:36 The LORD said moreover unto me; Son
of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? yea, declare unto them their abominations;
Eze 23:37 That
they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have “also”
caused their sons, whom they bare unto me, “to pass for them through the fire, to “devour” them”.
Eze 23:38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have
profaned my sabbaths.
Eze 23:39 For when they had “slain their children” to their
idols”, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine
Eze 20:30 “Wherefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the
Lord GOD; Are ye polluted after the manner of your fathers? and commit ye whoredom after their abominations?
Eze 20:31 For when ye offer your gifts, when ye make your sons to pass through the fire, ye pollute yourselves
with all your idols, even unto this day: and shall I be enquired of by you, O house of Israel? As I live, saith the Lord GOD,
I will not be enquired of by you.”
And in 2Ki 24:3, it says “Surely at the commandment
of the LORD came this upon Judah, to remove them out of his sight, for the sins of Manasseh, according to all that he did;
2Ki 24:4 And also for the innocent blood that he shed: for
he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; which the “LORD would
Ahaz was twenty years old when he became king, and he reigned
in Jerusalem sixteen years. Unlike David his father, he did not do what was right
in the eyes of the Lord his God. He followed the ways of the kings of Israel and even sacrificed his son in the fire, engaging
in the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites.
2 Kings 16:2-3 -https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=2%20Kings%2016:2-3&version=NIV
Pagans and Israelites a like sacrificed their children, which was an abomination
The sacrifice from Human is to be a living sacrifice?
He was still God when he was made flesh.
the idol worshipers offer themselves for a sacrifice to appease their Gods, instead of their children?
Perhaps it was the fact that the idol worshipers made the abominations worse
Man did not become God but God became man, and therefore he was not a mere human sacrifice.
If God is against human sacrifice, then how could the son of God be human, for the
son, which was actually God in the flesh, and was the sacrifice, and therefore he was not receiving human sacrifice, as the
Atheist suggest, but was satisfying the demand of his great justice, by paying the price himself, according to his great mercy.
The question becomes, if it was an abomination for man to offer a human sacrifice,
would God do it???
Deuteronomy 12:31 KJVS
 “Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for “every abomination
to the LORD , which he hateth”, “have they done unto their gods”; for even “their sons and their daughters
they have burnt in the fire” to their gods.”
One of the
abominations that he hated was the human sacrifice of their children. Would he turn around and offer his child to himself
as a human sacrifice?
Jer 32:35 “And they built the high places
of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto
Molech; which I commanded them not, “neither came it into my mind”, that they should do this abomination, to cause
Judah to sin.”
This problem goes away if we believe that God himself came
in the flesh, as the son of God, and we must believe in the son of God to be saved.
and the penalty is death, and someone had to die, in order for the demand of God’s great justice to be satisfied.
I believe that it had to be a “divine” sacrifice and not a human
one, to satisfy the divine justice of a just God.
Only God’s great Divine mercy
can satisfy his Divine justice, and remove the death sentence. Therefore the Divine God himself became flesh, in order to
feel pain and suffering, and save us from our sins, by shedding his “own blood”, Acts 20:28, which would not have
been a human sacrifice, like the pagans offered, when offering their human sons, which was an abomination in God’s sight.
Again, if it was an abomination for man to offer human sacrifice, would God turn around
Would God even receive a human sacrifice?
The Bible teaches to offer our bodies a “living sacrifice”. This is speaking to our inter man, about
our bodies, or outer man.
Again, what if the sacrifice that was offered to God was
not human, but Divine God himself, as the son of God, would not this prove that the son of God, was actually God in the flesh,
and not a mere human sacrifice?
This will destroy the Athletes argument and prove the one
God doctrine at the same time.
Again, if the son of God was God himself, then he was not
offering a human sacrifice, as did Manasseh and the heathens.
God himself offer himself to God? Yes,
Scripture teaches that God the Father offered the son for
a sacrifice, which is true, and Hebrews says that it was the son that offered up himself, but when we understand the scriptures
that the son of God is God in the flesh, John 1:1-14, 1 Timothy 3:16, Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 35:4-6, Jeremiah 23:6 etc, there
is no contradiction.
Hebrews 9:14 says,
“How much more shall the blood of Christ (should be YHWH, without the tradition not to say the sacred name), who through
the “eternal Spirit” (Father that was in him) “offered himself” without spot to God, purge your conscience
from dead works to serve the living God?”
Notice that it was through the Eternal
Spirit that he offered himself, could this Eternal Spirit be the Eternal God that fully dwelt in his body, Colossians 2:9?
Did God have blood to shed?
 “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you
overseers, to feed the church of “God”, which he hath purchased with “his own blood”.
Verse 29 says, “For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not
sparing the flock.” Boy was he right, he knew it, and it happened.
was God’s own blood, not man’s, that perched the “church of God”, other verses calls it the “church
of Christ”, and that is because Christ and God is one and the same being, John 10:30.
Also 2 5:19 Corinthians says that “God was “in” Christ”, reconciling the world unto himself.
God hates child sacrifice, how could the son of God be the payment for our sins?
the son of God, God’s child?
If the son of God was God’s child, in a way separate
from God, and he offered him up, wouldn’t that be what the pagans were doing to their gods, i.e. offering up their children?
in our minds we picture the only born child of God being separate, from God, and being offered up to God, seems like that
is similar to what the pagans were doing, mixing children being offered up, with worship.
answer is, the Bible clearly teaches that God himself is the son of God. See John 1:1-14, 1Timothy 3:16, Isaiah 9:6, Jeremiah
23:6, etc. therefore God offered himself, NOT his child, as the heathens did, see Hebrews 9:14, where it says that he offered
In order to make any sense of all this, we must understand that there is one God who fulfilled different
offices or manifestations, instead of three Gods in one. Unless we understand that God himself was made flesh, none of this
will make too much scene, so I admonish you to stop here and go down the page until you see Both God and Man, and check that
out, and then come back.
He is BOTH God and man!
who lived at the time of the New Testament, gives us very important Historical information showing that the Apostle John,
and the early church believed in only one God, not a trinity (3).
and his friend Polycarp, were actually students of the Apostle John himself, and some say that the Apostle Peter himself left
instructions for Ignatius to take his place, after his death. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Antioch
It is important to note that these men believed in one God, and they lived during the time of the
New Testament, about 300 years “before” the time of Constantine and the First Council of Nicaea, which took place
in Ad 325, and shows that they were before, and not a part of today's Catholic Trinitarian teaching.
other words, the doctrine of the Apostle John and his disciples, Ignatius and Polycarp, etc, were different from the Catholic
trinity doctrine of today, concerning the Godhead, and they were not a part of the Roman Catholic Church. The word Catholic
was used, which means Universal Church, but is referring to the real Universal Church, not the false Roman Catholic Trinitarian
Churches of today.
Having said that, here are some quotes from Ignatius, showing he believes YHWH (Jesus) is YHWH God
himself in flesh!
Ignatius writes to his friend Polycarp, who was also taught by Apostle John, to encourage him.
to Polycarp Chapter III.—Exhortations.
"Let “not” those
who "seem worthy of credit", "but" teach strange doctrines", fill thee with apprehension. Stand firm,
as does an anvil which is beaten. It is the part of a noble athlete to be wounded, and yet to conquer. And especially, we
ought to bear all things for the sake of "God", that "He" also may bear with us. Be ever becoming more
zealous than what thou art. Weigh carefully the times. "Look for "Him" who is "above all time", "eternal"
and "invisible", "yet who "became visible" for our sakes; "impalpable" and "impassible",
"yet who became "passible" on our account; and who in every kind of way "suffered for our sakes".
Ignatius is describing the one and only All Mighty God. The word “impassible” means, unable to suffer, or feel
pain, and “passible” is the opposite. The word “impalpable” means not easily understood, and unable
to touch, ghost.
Ignatius wrote a similar letter to the Ephesians, also issuing the same warning of the false teachers,
who teach against God as being BOTH God and man, Acts 2:36!
VII.—“Beware of false teachers”. For some are in the habit of carrying about the name [of Jesus Christ]
in wicked guile, while yet they practice things unworthy of God, whom ye must flee as ye would wild beasts. For they are ravening
dogs, who bite secretly, against whom ye must be on your guard, inasmuch as they are “men who can scarcely be cured”.
There is “one “Physician” who is possessed “both of flesh and spirit”; “both “made”
and “not made”; “God existing in flesh”; true “life in death”; “both” of Mary
and of God”; first “passible” and then “impassible”, “even Jesus Christ our Lord.”
note: He went from impassible to passible, and then back from passible to impassible, after the resurrection, and therefore
to “life in death”.)
(Notice Ignatius is warning against teachings that
does not confess that God/Jesus Christ come in the flesh. In the letter to Polycarp, he refers to “those teaching”
“strange doctrines", and to the Ephesians, he calls them “false teachers”, but in both cases
he speaks of “God existing in flesh”, which the false teachers did not believe!
1 John 4:1-3, where the Apostle John gives the exact same warning as Ignatius did, and keep in mind that Ignatius was taught
by the Apostle John himself!
1 John 4:1-3 says,
 “Beloved, believe
not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ (YHWH God) is “come in the flesh”
is of God:  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ (YHWH God) is come in the flesh is not of God: and this
is “that spirit of “antichrist”, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in
Ignatius again, says, in Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 1 Ch. 18:2
XVIII.—“The glory of the cross. Let my spirit be counted as nothing for the sake of the cross, which is a stumbling-block
to those that do not believe, but to us salvation and life eternal. “Where is the wise man? where the disputer?” Where
is the boasting of those who are styled prudent? “For our “God”, Jesus Christ, was, according to the appointment
of God, “conceived in the womb by Mary”, “of the seed of David”, “but by the Holy Ghost”.
“He was born” and baptized, that by His passion He might purify the water.”
Ignatius again, calls him God, as also did the Apostle John that taught him, John 1:1-14, see also 2 Peter 1:1, and Tit 2:13 which
“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of “the great God and our Saviour
Tit 2:14 “Who gave himself for us”, that he might redeem us from all iniquity,
and purify “unto himself” a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Tit 2:15 These things
speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.” KJV
Peter, a slave and an apostle of Jesus Christ: To those who have obtained a faith of equal privilege with ours through the
righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 1:1 – HCSB https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=2%20Peter%201:1&version=HCSB
Titus 2:13-15 says, “while we wait for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of “our
great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.” He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to cleanse for Himself
a people for His own possession, eager to do good works. Say these things, and encourage and rebuke with all authority. Let
no one disregard you.
Titus 2:13-15 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Titus%202:13-15&version=HCSB
Titus 2:13 in the KJVS says,
 “Looking for that blessed hope, and the
glorious appearing of “the” great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;”.)
only did Ignatius, Peter, and Titus, etc, refer to him as God, but so did all of the Apostles and others, in both the Old
and New Testament.
Ignatius Chapter I.—Praise of the Ephesians, wrote,
I have become acquainted with your name, much-beloved in God, which ye have acquired by the habit of righteousness, according
to the faith and love in “Jesus Christ our Saviour”. Being the followers of “God”, and stirring up
yourselves by “the “blood” of God”,
Notice “the blood of God”.
Where did he get that from?
Act 20:28 says, “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over
the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to “feed the church of God”, “which he” (God) hath
purchased with “his own blood.”
The Epistle of Ignatius
to the Romans Shorter and Longer Version both says,
“enlightened by the will of Him
that willeth all things which are according to the love of “Jesus Christ our God,”….. abundance of happiness
unblameably, in “Jesus Christ “our God.”
of their kindness. Ye have done well in receiving Philo and Rheus Agathopus as servants of “Christ our God”,
he calls Christ our God, and so does the New Testament in 1 Corinthians 10:1,4-5,9, where we see Christ, and it is talking
about YHWH God in the Old Testament.
Ignatius Chapter VIII.—Let other churches also
send to Antioch.
“I pray for your happiness for ever in our “God, Jesus Christ,”
Ignatius to Polycarp (both were students of the Apostle John) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Antioch
"Let not those who "seem
worthy of credit", "but" teach “strange” doctrines", fill thee with apprehension. Stand firm,
as does an anvil which is beaten. It is the part of a noble athlete to be wounded, and yet to conquer. And especially, we
ought to bear all things for the sake of "God", that "He" also may bear with us. Be ever becoming more
zealous than what thou art. Weigh carefully the times. "Look for "Him" who is "above all time", "eternal"
and "invisible", "yet who "became visible" for our sakes; "impalpable" and "impassible",
"yet who became "passible" on our account; and who in every kind of way "suffered for our sakes".
4:3 says, “Yea, I beseech thee also, true yokefellow, help these women, for they labored with me in the gospel, with
"Clement" also, and the rest of my fellow-workers, whose names are in the book of life.”
Chapter XVII Deviation of heretics from the truth
“rule of truth” which “we hold”, is, that there is “one God Almighty”, “who made
all things by His Word”, and fashioned and formed, out of that which had no existence, all things which exist. Thus
saith the Scripture, to that effect "By the Word of the Lord were the heavens established”, and all the might of
them, by the spirit of His mouth." And again, "All things were made by “Him”, and without Him was nothing
made." There is “no exception” or deduction stated; but the Father made all things by Him, whether visible
or invisible, objects of sense or of intelligence, temporal, on account of a certain character given them, or eternal; and
these eternal things He did not make by angels, “or by any powers separated from His Ennoea”. For God needs none
of all these things, but is He who, by His Word and Spirit, makes, and disposes, and governs all things, and commands all
things into existence,-He who formed the world (for the world is of all),-He who fashioned man,-He [who] is the God of Abraham,
and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, above whom there is no other God, nor initial principle, nor power, nor pleroma,-He
is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, as we shall prove. Holding, therefore, “this rule”, we shall easily show,
notwithstanding the great variety and multitude of their opinions, that these men have deviated from the truth; for almost
all the different sects of heretics admit that there is one God; but then, by their pernicious doctrines, they change [this
truth into error], even as the Gentiles do through idolatry,-thus proving themselves ungrateful to Him that created them.
Moreover, they despise the workmanship of God, speaking against their own salvation, becoming their own bitterest accusers,
and being false witnesses [against themselves]. Yet, reluctant as they may be, these men shall one day rise again in the flesh,
to confess the power of “Him who “raises” them from the dead”; but they shall not be numbered among
the righteous “on account of their unbelief.”
(The Messiah/Christ says
that he is the one that will raise them from the dead at the resurrection, speaking as God, because he is both God and man!
Therefore Ignatius understood Christ to be also the one All Mighty God in flesh!
Ignatius says “The rule of truth” which “we hold”, is, that there is “one God Almighty”,
“who made all things by His Word”,
Ignatius many times calls Jesus God. It
is evident he is in harmony with scriptures and his teacher, the Apostle John, i.e. God in flesh, and I see no other way to
interpret him. Because in other places he writes to the churches and his friend Polycarp etc, saying things like,
for "Him" who is "above all time", "eternal" and "invisible", "yet who "became
visible" for our sakes; "impalpable" and "impassible", "yet who became "passible"
on our account; and who in every kind of way "suffered for our sakes". (Remember, Ignatius’s rule of Truth
is that there is only one Almighty God, and therefore it was God made flesh, not a preexisting Son!)
the Ephesians he writes,
I want to talk to you about the Trinitarians doctrine.
time of the birth of the Messiah, it appears that there are "two" distinct and separate beings, and one of them
is God, but at creation, up until the Son, John 1:1-14 the evidence shows there was only one being, not Two!
believe that the scriptures undeniably teach the Father and the Son, but says they are one, John 10:30, i.e. one spirit God
dwelling in one body of flesh.
Isaiah 35:4-6 teaches that God himself will come and save us, and when he does, great miracles will
occur, which was fulfilled by the Messiah, in Matthew 11:2-5.
What makes a Trinitarian, which
believes in 3 separate "Divine" co-equal beings, in one God?
Is it the word of God
that makes them believe that doctrine, or the tradition of men?
The Word of God “is”
God, ( Gen-1:1 and John 1:1) and not a separate Divine being from the only Divine God! Read it.
absolutely kills the Trinitarian theory. So does John 1:1-14, because Trinitarians don't believe YHWH Christ is come in the
flesh, they believe a separate preexisting Son come in the flesh, instead of YHWH All Mighty come in the flesh, as John 1:1-14
clearly teaches, also 1st Timothy 3:16. This is also confirmed in Mathew 1:23 Matthew which says, “and they shall call
his name “Emmanuel”, which being interpreted is, “God with us”, i.e. the son of God, called Emmanuel,
is God with us.
Simply read Gen- 1 to prove the undeniable truth of only one Creator God in creation.
Isaiah 44:24 which says, "Thus saith the LORD, "thy redeemer" (the one who brought us), and (also) he that
formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD (YHWH) that maketh "all things" ; that stretcheth forth the heavens "alone";
that spreadeth abroad the earth "by myself";
Had it not been for the tradition
not to say the name YHWH, John 1:1 could have read, "in the beginning, was the word, and the Word was with YHWH, and
the word was YHWH, who is the one who created all things!
Although it does say YHWH, we know
God is YHWH, but that is another subject for another time.
Let's go to John 1:1-3 to see the
Trinitarian’s supposed foundation.
 "In the beginning was the "Word",
and the "Word" was "with" God", and the Word "was" God".  The "same"
was in the beginning "with God".  "All things were made by "him"; and "without him"
"was not any thing made that was made." (In other words, YHWH God done it alone, by himself, nobody else made anything.)
3 is directly connected to verses 1 and 2. In other words, someone or something that was with God created all things!
we ask ourselves the question, what was it that was with God in creation and who was it that created all things? Was it God?
was the word of God that was with God by which he created all things. The word that was spoken by God, was not
another God, or a preexisting Son, read Gen-1, for proof.
Gen-1, teaches that God created
heaven and earth by speaking the word, and John 1:1 teaches the spoken word is God, and we must not make a separate Creator
or God out of God's word, as the Trinitarian and others do. They make a separate preexisting Agent out of God's word, saying
it is the Son, and that is what created all things and was made flesh and dwelt among us, instead of God himself made all
things and was made flesh, same God but in another form for our salvation.
that God sent or gave his Son, from heaven instead of God himself became man, but was still God.
Anti Christ spirit does not want us to believe that God/YHWH himself came in the flesh and dwelt among us. The Son of God
is God in flesh. 1 John 4:1-3
A cloud was sent to lead the children in the wilderness, but the God that sent the cloud, was in the
cloud that he sent, same as God was in the Son, that he sent into the world to teach and lead us.
John 4:2 KJV says, "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that "Jesus Christ is come in
the flesh" is of God:"
The question is, what or who was Jesus Christ "before"
he was made flesh???
We see Jesus Christ as the begotten of the Father, in John 1:14, but before that, we only see YHWH
God, and YHWH God's forerunner, John the Baptist, so did Jesus/YHWH God, in the flesh become the Son of God?
was God the Creator that came in the flesh, becoming the only begotten (born) Son of God, not a preexisting Son of God, as
the Trinitarians suppose. They have TWO creators, God the Creator, and the Son the Creator. I ask them, who was it that rested
the seventh day in creation, the Father or the Son, and if it was the son that created all things, what did the Father do?
that is what makes a Trinitarian. Instead of bringing the one Creator God, YHWH, on through from John 1:1 through verse 14,
to be made flesh, they create a separate God, which John describes as Anti Christ, in 1 John 4:1-3, which was written in order
to counter those who do not believe what he already said in John 1:14. They denied the Deity of Christ.
John 2:22,24 says,
 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ"? He is antichrist, that
denieth the Father and the Son...  Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have "heard from the beginning".
If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."
other words, when we get to John 1:14, we have BOTH the Father and the Son in a flesh body. God became man, and was still
He became a father and son at the exact same time.
John speaks of this Jesus Christ as the begotten of the Father in John 1:14, which was God made flesh. Edit
in light of Genesis 1, there can be only one understanding of John 1:1-3, and that is that God created all things by speaking
it into existence by his word, God is his word, or the word was God, as the Apostle John puts it, verse 1.
1:1-3 is definitely speaking about God creating all things, and verse 4 tells us that "in "him" (the God that
created all things) is life, and the "life is the light" the of men"
subject is still God, which has life and light in him. There was no life or light (outside of God) in creation until God spoke
it all into existence. No where yet is it taking about the Son of God.
At any rate God is still
the subject so far, and verses 5-9 teaches us that John the Baptist came to bear "witness" of the light", which
is the "true light" of the world and every man that comes into the world, i.e. God is light.
that only God is spoken of or is in view up unto verse 9. In other words, John is only bearing witness of YHWH God, NOT the
Son, which is in perfect harmony with Isaiah 40:3, which says John was to prepare the way of YHWH God, not the Son!
Verse 10 goes on to say,
 "He (God) was in the world", and "the world "was made" by him",
and the world knew him not."
The one that John the Baptist was preparing the way
for, was the one that was in the world which he made, and he is YHWH God All Mighty.
Notice the Son of God has not yet been referred to, from verse 1 through 13, and will not be until verse 14, when the Word,
which was God, was made flesh and dwelt among us.
John 1:14 "And the Word (which was
God) was made flesh (and for that, I am forever grateful, and I know he done it for me, and I am eternally grateful for his
Son also), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld "his glory" (Gods glory), the glory as of the only begotten of the
Father,) full of grace and truth."
Now we have TWO, the Eternal YHWH the Father, and the
only begotten YHWH the Son, in one flesh body.
Anybody should be able to see the
connection between John 1:1 and verse 14, which teaches the Word was God, (verse 1) and the Word was made flesh and dwelt
among us (verse 14), I am so grateful..
2 Peter 1:1 says, “Simon Peter, a bond-servant
and apostle special messenger, personally chosen representative of Jesus Christ, To those who have received and possess by
God’s will "a precious faith of the same kind as ours", by the righteousness of "our “God”
and Savior, Jesus Christ:" (HCSB)
The mystery of Christ is solved, when we understand
he is “Both”, God and man, and once you understand this mystery, you can harmonize the verses that teaches he
is man, and the ones that teaches he is God also.
Both, the Old and New Testaments
sometimes speaks of the Messiah as the Son, like Isaiah chapter 53, and sometimes as God, as Isaiah 35:4-6, and sometimes
as BOTH, the Son and the Father, as in Isaiah 9:6, which describes him as the Son and the Everlasting Father and the Mighty
And until we understand he is BOTH, God and man, the New Testament can not be harmonized. We must
realize that, same as the Old Testament, he is spoken of as BOTH, God and man.
there were things he did not know, but as God, he knew all things, even what those around him were thinking. Speaking as God,
he said, destroy this temple, the one that he was dwelling in, and in 3 days, I will raise it up, but some did not understand
that he was speaking of his body, which is the Son of God, John 2:19. He was speaking as God, when he consistently said that
he came down from Heaven, and that he was from above, and he was not of this world, etc. He was speaking as God, when he said,
"I am the light of the world", because John 1:9 teaches that God is the light of the world. Paul spoke of him as
God, when he said that "by him were all things created", Colossians 1:16, Peter calls him "our God and Saviour,
Jesus Christ", 2 Peter 1:1, etc. I could go on and on, but I have made my point, that he is Both God and man. There is
only one Redeemer, God, and Job understood God would one day stand on earth.
Job 19:25-26 KJVS
“For I know that my “redeemer” liveth, and that “he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth”:
 And though after my skin worms destroy this body , yet in my flesh shall I see “God:”
evidence shows that, in our bibles, the word Christ is NOT used exclusively for the Son!
word “Christ” can, and is also used in referring to YHWH All Mighty. I will prove this from scriptures shortly.
the Baptist's primary mission was to prepare the way of YHWH, not the Son!
refers to Two separate and distinct beings and both are referred to as “Christ”, one is Christ the Son, born in
Bethlehem, and one is Christ the LORD/YHWH from heaven, who's going forth is of old, from Everlasting.
Christ we can trace back to Bethlehem, and one on back to creation, who is from everlasting, compare Mathew 2:4-5 with Micah
Scriptures sometimes speak of Christ, as man, and sometimes as God All Mighty!
Scripture teaches that God, not a part of God, but the fullness of God, was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself/God!
Corinthians 5:19,21 says,
 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto "himself", not imputing
their trespasses unto them;...  For "he" (the God that was in Christ) hath made "him" (Christ)
to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of "God" in him."
see that there's TWO, beings one dwelling in the other, or perhaps both dwelling in one undefiled temple, born of a virgin,
made without hands, that was prepared special for the Son to dwell in, Hebrews 10:5.
of the two is Christ the Son of God, which is an undefiled temple of God, which was made without hands, born of a virgin,
which God dwelt in on earth. Godhead/Diety!
The other Christ is YHWH the Rock that
followed them in the wilderness.
1 Corinthians 10:4,9
did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ....
says,  "Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents."
is talking about YHWH who they tempted and saw his work 40 years in the wilderness which is here referred to as Christ, which
proves the name YHWH belongs there, but because of the tradition not to say the name YHWH, they substituted Christ instead!
 "Because I will publish the name of the LORD/YHWH: ascribe ye greatness unto "our God".
 “He is the Rock”, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a "God" of truth and without
iniquity, just and right is he."
Then we go to Hebrews chapters 3 &
4 to show YHWH is CHRIST in the wilderness, and we should hear his voice, Christ's voice, also ch 4 YHWH is called Joshua
instead of YHWH, because of the tradition not to say the name YHWH.
Moses said there is no
Rock like our Rock. YHWH is truly the Rock that the church is founded upon, and when Peter said tho are the Christ, the Son
of God, he understood that Christ YHWH was the Rock, and the Messiah said, upon this Rock, or revelation that Christ is also
YHWH the Rock, I will build my Church.
We must build our house upon that same Rock, which
is the Rock of our salvation, because everything else is sinking sand.
 "O come, let us sing unto the LORD : let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation."
is the Rock of our salvation, we do not have TWO ROCKS, or two Creators, two king of kings, Two first and lasts, TWO lights
of the world, Two Divines, Two All Might's, Two I AM's, Two Masters, etc.
we don't have TWO beings that is called Christ, then we have TWO Creators, TWO Gods etc. let me explain.
the Rock was in his Son, the Messiah.
Now Read John 1 and Gen 1
that John the Baptist's mission was to prepare the way of YHWH God, not the Son.
Baptist is one of the greatest Prophets that ever lived, and the Messiah himself said there is none greater than John. Surely
we can believe what the Great Prophet John the Baptist says, concerning the Messiah.
Isaiah 40:3 it teaches that John the Baptist is the voice of one crying in the wilderness, saying, "prepare the way of
YHWH, make straight a highway in the desert for our “God”, (YHWH). This is not taking about the Son of YHWH.
there's no doubt that John the Baptist was preparing the way of YHWH God in Isaiah 40:3, and in John 1:14-25, it teaches that
Jesus is that one that John prepared the way for, and had it not been for the tradition not to say the name YHWH, it would
have said YHWH, instead of Jesus, because that was who they were talking about, YHWH!
"And the Word (God) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld "his" glory", the glory as of the
only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.  John bare witness of "him" (YHWH God), and cried, saying,
This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he “was before me”.  And
of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.  For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by
Jesus (YHWH) Christ.  No man hath seen “God” at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of
the Father, he hath declared him.  And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem
to ask him, Who art thou?  And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, "I am not the "Christ". 
And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.  Then
said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?  He said,
I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the LORD, as said the prophet Esaias.  And they
which were sent were of the Pharisees.  And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be "not
that Christ" (YHWH), nor Elias, neither that prophet?"
The Trinitarian scholars are Trinitarians,
NOT because of their ability to read what the Greek is actually saying, but because of their inability to understand what
they read, and then they follow the tradition of men that has blinded them, which causes them to add to or not accept what
the Greek actually says. They rightfully state what the Greek says, but because of tradition, they put a private interpretation
on what it says as is the case in John 1:1, the word was God.
The Trinitarian scholars rightfully
state the Greek in John 1:1 which says that the word was with God, and the word "was God", and then turn around
and and say that the word that "was God", was really the Son of God, creating a second person of the Godhead, and
that is because of their tradition. Every Bible translation I know of, and there are many, says that the Word was God.
of bad tradition, they try to separate God's word from himself, creating a separate Creator/God, from God the Creator, and
then try to harmonize the one God teaching found throughout the scriptures, by saying it is really one
God consisting of THREE separate beings in one, but all this is proven wrong when we read the actual creation account in Gen-1,
and through the Old Testament, where there is only one single being, God that created all things, and then rested the seventh
It is the same with us, if we will not accept what it says, as it is written, without trying to explain
it away. The one that does not have the truth, in every debate, is the one who has to explain everything away with fair speeches
Common sense proof that the Messiah is both God and man.
always tell when is speaking as God, i.e. It is when he elevates or lifts himself up, he is speaking as God. No child of God
will elevate himself therefore he is speaking as God, not man.
Would any son of God lift himself
up, not giving God glory?
When we say anything that we have done, we give God glory.
He said, "I am the light of the world, and also he said I am the way the truth and the life", he is speaking as
When He spake as man, he always gave God glory, example, the Father is great than I, and the Lord's
Prayer he never mentioned the kingdom belonging to anyone else and all the glory belongs to God, forever!
is the kingdom of God, but the kingdom of Christ, when referring to the Deity which was in Christ.
God that was in the cloud sent the cloud, and the God that was in the Son, sent the Son. This does not mean that God had to
be somewhere else
Malachi 3:1 KJVS
 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before
“me” (YHWH God): and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to “his temple”, even the messenger
of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.”
Clark on Luke 2:11, which says,
"For unto you is born this day in the city of
David a Saviour, which is Christ the LORD."
This is another place YHWH is referred
to as Christ, when we understand YHWH belongs here, instead of Lord, but because of tradition not to say the name YHWH, we
have the substitute.
"The Lord. Κυριος,
"the supreme, eternal Being, the ruler of the heavens and the earth".
Septuagint generally translate יהוה Yehovah
by Κυριος. This Hebrew word, from היה hayah,
he was, "properly points out the eternity and self-existence of the Supreme Being"; and if we may rely on the authority
of "Hesychius, which no scholar will call in question, Κυριος is a proper translation
of יהוה Yehovah, as it comes from κυρω,
- τυγχανω, I am, I exist. Others derive it from κυρος,
authority, legislative power".....and indeed the "word Lord", in the text, appears to be properly understood,
when applied to the "deity" of Christ."
According to the above, the verse
is saying Christ YHWH is born in the city of David, not Christ the Lord!
obviously the same Christ YHWH that was to be born in Bethlehem, spoken of by the prophet Micah 5:2,
thou, Beth-lehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me
that is to be ruler in Israel; "whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting".
was the scripture that the Chief Priests and Scribes gave to Herod, when he asked, where will Christ be born?
they understood that Christ was to be born (as a Son), whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting (as God).
shows that he is BOTH the Father and Son, the Father, whose going forth have been from of old, from everlasting, and the Son
born in Bethlehem.
Again, Isaiah 35:4-6
 "Say to them that are of a fearful
heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, "your God" will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come
and "save you".  "Then" the eyes of the blind shall be opened, (when God comes) and the ears of the
deaf shall be unstopped (when God comes).  Then shall the lame man leap as an hart (when God comes), and the tongue of
the dumb sing (when God comes): for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert (when God comes)."
was fulfilled in the Messiah, when God came in the flesh, see Mathew 11:4-5, where says to tell John the Baptist that these
things are happening.
Adam Clark, Albert Barns, and other Scholars believe God was manifested in the flesh in first Timothy
3:16. They explain why, Barns said,
“Was manifest - Margin, “Manifested.” The meaning is, “appeared” in
In the flesh - In human nature; see this explained in the notes on Rom 1:3. The expression here looks
as though the true reading of the much-disputed word was “God.” It could not have been, it would seem evident,
ὁ ho, “which,” referring to “mystery;” for “how could a mystery” “be manifested in the flesh?” Nor could it it be ὅς
hos, “who,” unless that should “refer to one who was more than a man”; for how absurd would it be
to say that “a man was manifested, or appeared in the flesh!” “How else could a man appear”? The phrase
here means that “God appeared in human form”, or with human nature; and this is declared to be the “great”
truth so long concealed from human view, but now revealed as constituting the fundamental doctrine of the gospel. The expressions
which follow in this verse refer to God “as” thus manifested in the flesh; to the Saviour as he appeared on earth,
“regarded as a divine and human being”. It was the fact that he thus appeared and sustained this character, which
made the things which are immediately specified so remarkable, and so worthy of attention.”